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VIDEO: “The Apocryphal Jesus” book interview on “The Unknown Webcast”

Posted on June 9, 2017 by Ken AmmiJune 9, 2017

This interview was with the YouTube channel here.

The book is available here.

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VIDEO: “The Apocryphal Jesus” book interview on “The Unknown Webcast”

Posted on June 9, 2017 by Ken AmmiJune 9, 2017

This interview was with the YouTube channel here.

The book is available here.

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VIDEO: “The Apocryphal Jesus” book interview on “The Unknown Webcast”

Posted on June 9, 2017 by Ken AmmiJune 9, 2017

This interview was with the YouTube channel here.

The book is available here.

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VIDEO: Interview with William Ramsey on “The Apocryphal Jesus”

Posted on May 6, 2017 by Ken AmmiMay 6, 2017

Interview with William Ramsey on “The Apocryphal Jesus.”

You can find William Ramsey’s channel here.

Find “The Apocryphal Jesus” ebook info here.

Find the referenced “Historical Jesus – Two Centuries Worth of Citations” here.

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VIDEO: Raphael Lataster earthly-historical vs. celestial-heavenly Jesus in Paul’s writings

Posted on March 30, 2016 by Ken AmmiMarch 30, 2016

Raphael Lataster earthly-historical vs. celestial-heavenly Jesus in Paul’s writings.

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Raphael Lataster’s “interview” with Phil Robinson on historical Jesus

Posted on March 23, 2016 by Ken AmmiMarch 23, 2016

I titled this with Raphael Lataster having been (quote unquote) “interview” with Phil Robinson on historical Jesus because it was not so much an interview as it was Phil Robinson giving Raphael Lataster a platform from which to make various and sundry assertions in an utterly un-critical, un-skeptical, un-challenged manner. In fact, Phil Robinson seems all but unconversant with historical Jesus issues and particularly unaware of the key biblical contents, concept and contexts related to historical Jesus issues. I guess as much as due to his inability or unwillingness to ask Lataster for quotations and citations for his claims. He simply allows Lataster to paraphrase and generically reference for example, Paul’s entire corpus and has nothing to say in reply but laughter and agreement at every turn.

Now, let us get to the bottom line: you can hear the key portions of the “interview” on this video:

Raphael Lataster states that Paul “says virtually nothing about a historical Jesus” and when Phil Robinson parrots Lataster’s book thusly, “Paul doesn’t talk about an Earthly Jesus,” Lataster replies:

You pretty much hit the nail on the head there…Paul not seeming to say much about the historical Jesus is absolutely correct. Whenever Paul talks about Jesus he’s talking about a heavenly character…Paul does not talk about a historical Jesus, he talks about a heavenly Jesus…it doesn’t seem entirely clear that he’s talking about a person that was on Earth…it is not at all obvious that Paul is talking about a genuine historical character, he does seem to be talking about a spiritual and thus, mythical character…he doesn’t give us any historical details about Jesus such as where He lived or when He lived…There are many cases in Paul’s epistles and related epistles that also seem to indicate that Jesus is indeed a heavenly character.

Actually, Paul’s view is that Jesus was a real historical person who came to live on Earth, being born to Mary (thus incarnated) through a Jewish genealogy. He was crucified after being on trial before Pontius Pilate (giving us a timeline, the “where He lived or when He lived”), died for our sins (on Earth), resurrected (on Earth), will return after having been, as He presently is, at God’s right hand (contextually, this is the only so called “heavenly” or “celestial” Jesus).

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See Galatians 1:1, 3:1; 4:4; 1 Corinthians 1:13, 18, 23, 2:2, 8, 8:11, 10:16-17, 11:23, 15:3; 2 Corinthians 4:10, 5:14; Romans 1:3, 4:25, 5:6, 8-10, 6:4-5, 9-10, 8:3, 32; Colossians 3:1; Ephesians 1:7, 20, 2:13, 16; Philippians 3:10-11; 1 Thessalonians 1:10, 4:16-17, 5:9-10; 1 Timothy 1:15, 2:6, 3:16, 6:13; 2 Timothy 2:8; Hebrews (if written by Paul) 1:6, 2:9, 14, 16, 9:15, 10:10.
Acts (written by Luke who accompanied Paul and wrote accounts of his doings and words) 20:28, 22:8, 26:8-9.
You can consult my article Raphael Lataster on no historical but a celestial Jesus in Paul’s writings wherein I provide the quotations for each of these citations.

Robinson asks how Lataster came to the conclusion that “Paul was describing a celestial Jesus.” Within the context of this specific question, Lataster notes Paul’s (one time) rebuking Peter (for issues unrelated to Jesus, the historical Jesus, etc.) and exaggerates this concept in general finally specifically stating that Paul “doesn’t seem to get along with people that we normally associate with Jesus.”
Actually, he gets along with them just fine:
Galatians 1:17-19 Paul spent some time in Arabia and Damascus and then “went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.” Moreover, he spent time with “James the Lord’s brother.”
Galatians 2:1, 9 Paul notes “I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also. And when James, Cephas [Peter], and John…gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship.”
Acts 9:19 Luke relates that “Then was Saul [Paul] certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus.”
Acts 21:16 Luke notes “There went with us also certain of the disciples of Caesarea, and brought with them one Mnason of Cyprus, an old disciple, with whom we should lodge.”

Raphael Lataster asserts:

Whenever he [Paul] says that he knows something about Jesus he basically says it comes straight from God. Now, this is obviously quite shocking to the historian who would rather Paul say that he’s got it straight from Jesus’ mouth because he knew Him all his life or that he’s got it straight from eye witnesses. Rather, than that we see Paul saying that he gets it because of his direct link to the divine.

Well, what Lataster claims historians would prefer is not the issue. As noted above, Paul interacted with eye witnesses and so Lataster is factually wrong yet again and wrong based on simple quotations and citation of which he should be aware—as should Phil, by the way who never challenged him on anything nor asks for quotations or citations of anything.

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FB discussion with Raphael Lataster on historical Jesus

Posted on March 22, 2016 by Ken AmmiMarch 22, 2016

Spoiler alert, I was having a discussion with Raphael Lataster (about whom I have written here) on Facebook at this page. However, the last time I went in to reply to him I found this displayed therein, “This post has been removed or could not be loaded.”
Well, it loaded just fine since the discussion began so I certainly do not know but it seems like another situation like the one about which I wrote here regarding Ex-Christian.net: I was debating numerous Atheists at the same time and then the page’s admin decided to delete all comments and locked up the comments section. Little did they know that, as in this case with Lataster, I was copying and pasting all comments into a document all along.

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Thus, Facebook is no longer displaying the discussion but here it is. It began when I posted a link to my article Raphael Lataster on no historical but a celestial Jesus in Paul’s writings wherein I demonstrate in a straight forward and fact filled manner (logic, quotations and citations) that Raphael Lataster is very incorrect on various issues.

Lataster was kind enough to comment on it thusly:

What a silly little article. I did actually mention that Paul’s constant interactions with the CJ [celestial Jesus] are to be expected on both theories.

Well, you can see where he is going with this: no matter what, he can force fit anything into any given theoretical assertions of his. Thus, here is my reply:

Hello friend, I appreciate the reply. In your interview with Phil Robinson, for example, you were extremely one sided such as stating that “Paul doesn’t talk about an Earthly Jesus…Paul does not talk about a historical Jesus…it doesn’t seem entirely clear that he’s talking about a person that was on Earth…it is not at all obvious that Paul is talking about a genuine historical character…he doesn’t give us any historical details about Jesus such as where He lived or when He lived,” etc. and such claims are simply inaccurate. So is this some sort of straddling the fence tacit so as to have all of your bases covered and leaning any which way is convenient at the time?

He wrote back:

I think you misunderstand. Paul’s communication with the CJ is to be expected on both theories. His lack of mention of a HJ [historical Jesus] is not. It is super weird on the HJ theory, but totally expected on the CJ theory. Every such supposed mention is either interpolated and/or ambiguous (can also apply to the CJ).

My reply in turn:

Friend, I am not sure how you can prove that any such statement which is inconvenient to your assertion was interpolated but I would ask if and how the following, as a mere few examples, are ambiguous (can also apply to the CJ): Paul writes of Jesus having been crucified and raised him from the dead which are events that occurred to a historical person upon the Earth, notes that “God sent forth his Son, made of a woman” thus, born to a human woman on Earth and stating that He was “made under the law” meaning born Jewish and that “Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession” which gives us a timeline.

Well, perhaps being unable or unwilling (or both), he merely wrote back:

Well the book covers all this. This can all apply to the CJ.

I then asked:

Oh, I see; so the CJ became the HJ, or they are one in the same–or something?

And after thereafter “This post has been removed or could not be loaded.”

Well, as it turns out I suspect that my dissection of his tactic is accurate: he claims that there was no historical Jesus and thus, that Paul was dealing with a celestial Jesus. However, when anyone notes any evidence against his claim he merely asserts that any evidence applies to both so there is apparently no way he can see that his theories can be unfalsified.

Yet, they have been and no amount of deny, deny, deny can rescue Raphael Lataster.

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Raphael Lataster on Paul and the celestial Jesus

Posted on January 28, 2016 by Ken AmmiJanuary 28, 2016

I continue, from part 1, part 2, part 3, considering the latest, of a never ending, round of pop-research on the issue of the historical Jesus and Jesus mythicism, namely Michael Paulkovich and Raphael Lataster.
I personally chronicled 205 texts that reference Jesus written pre 70 AD to 200-250 AD, see Historical Jesus – two centuries worth of citations

We continue my comment to a Facebook page:

That Lataster actually thinks that Paul did not even make it clear that Jesus was a person who died on Earth is not only a radical claim and utterly unfounded but it betrays his desperation to discredit, by ignoring, one of the earliest traditions about Jesus within the Bible. In 1st Corinthians 15 Paul employs technical terminology about how tradition was passed on to him with regards to Jesus’ crucifixion and resurrection “I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received.” Paul even encourages people to seek out and question the eye witnesses “the greater part remain unto this present,” which is what Paul personally did.

It is inaccurate to generically assert that when Paul claims to know something about Jesus, he claims that it came straight from God. Paul (and Luke) labors to elucidate that he spent time with the Apostles and other disciples specifically for the purpose of learning about Jesus from them (for examples see Acts 9:19; Galatians 1:18-19). Such issues are not theological minutia, they are simple statements that anyone can, and ought to, double check.

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It is no wonder that, at least during the interview, Lataster cites nothing whatsoever but merely beyond generically references (there it is again) entire books or even authors in general. He states that Paul wrote this or that but whereabouts? He generically states that Paul never mentions this or that and in order to reply I would have to read everything that Paul wrote (which is actually coming up on my reading schedule early next year) so you see how he gets off easy? His one generic statement vs. my reading everything, quoting, citing, etc.—a few seconds to state his, unchallenged, generic claim versus quite a few hours, equaling days if not weeks, of my reply.

He seems to presuppose that Paul should have written a historical account of Jesus but an arbitrary demand. Also, it makes sense that, if, the latter writers add more historical detail as time goes by it is due to just that; time is passing and they are ensuring that more is known by latter people about that which was once common and current knowledge.
Lataster claims that Paul is referring to a “celestial Jesus” but does not seem to consider that at the time Jesus was no longer on Earth and so was, at that time, a “celestial Jesus” of sorts: a glorified, spiritual (not spirit) resurrected Jesus. And yet, this is the very same Paul who writes of Jesus that “when the fullness of the time” temporal, linear, Earthly time, “God sent forth his Son, made of a woman” so not some celestial spirit but born on Earth to a human, “made under the law” meaning born Jewish (Galatians 4:4).

Lataster claims that Paul, generally, does not get along with Peter because there is reference to one single time he confronted him on one issue. I am afraid that this is merely the stuff of fluffing and puffing up to make much ado about nothing and you should have called him out on it.

We will next consider Raphael Lataster’s conspiracy theorizing modus operandi.

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Raphael Lataster on no historical but a celestial Jesus in Paul’s writings

Posted on January 7, 2016 by Ken AmmiJanuary 7, 2016

As the title of one of his book elucidates, Raphael Lataster claim to know that “There Was No Jesus, There is No God.” As another book title claims, Lataster also holds that “Jesus Did Not Exist: A Debate Among Atheists” meaning that, as Richard Carrier put it, “the debate over the historicity of Jesus” is to be conducted “by focusing only on what atheist and agnostic experts are saying, and not Christian believers—regarding the latter as too biased to consider.”
Apparently, Atheist who claim to know that “There Was No Jesus, There is No God” that “Jesus Did Not Exist” and describe themselves, as Lataster does, as “a professionally secular PhD researcher” are not in the least bit bias. Carrier notes that “really we should only be looking at the debate among atheists” and that this is “a good point.”
Also, note that Lataster wrote, “I just want to know if particular religious claims are true” in which case, I cannot wait to read his books “There Was No Muhammad, There is No Allah” and “Muhammad Did Not Exist: A Debate Among Atheists.”

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Lataster refers to the “independent historian Richard Carrier’s recent defence of” a theory which is “Namely, that the belief in Jesus started as the belief in a purely celestial being (who was killed by demons in an upper realm), who became historicised over time.” He then seeks to summarize Carrier’s book as follows:

…that Jesus was a historical figure who became mythicised over time – both align well with the Gospels, which are later mixtures of obvious myth and what at least “sounds” historical. The Pauline Epistles, however, overwhelmingly support the “celestial Jesus” theory, particularly with the passage indicating that demons killed Jesus, and would not have done so if they knew who he was (see: 1 Corinthians 2:6-10). [“Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus,’” The Conversation, December 14, 2014 AD]

Well, this is very clear indeed as he states that Paul held to the view that “demons killed Jesus, and would not have done so if they knew who he was.” Now, the honest skeptic would read the text and would find that it states:

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Well, this is rather confusing as Lataster is affirming that Paul preached a real, historical Jesus who was, after all, “crucified” so where is the celestial Jesus? Perhaps he has allotted himself some wiggle room so that, when it is convenient, he can claim a “celestial being” Jesus but, when it is convenient, he can claim a Jesus “who became historicised.”

Setting Carrier aside now, Lataster himself asserts that that Paul did not even make it clear that Jesus was a person who died on Earth and builds his concept of the celestial Jesus upon this assertion.

Now, the bottom line is another mere assertion which is that Raphael Lataster seems to presuppose that Paul should have written a historical account of Jesus yet, of course, this is but an arbitrary demand. Obviously, he read Paul, noted no synoptic-gospel-like chronological style retelling of the life of Jesus and concludes that Paul did not view Jesus as historical but celestial. But this is no way to do history; to demand who should have written what. The fact is that Paul’s writings are mostly answers to questions and guidance on early church issues. In other words, it was not his job to do history but to lead and guide the church as to doctrine, order, ethics, etc. Lataster does not get to come around two millennia later and demand that Paul ought to have done otherwise. In other words, Lataster sees what is missing in Paul, points it out and demands that it is problematic yet, this is simply unfounded.

It seems that Lataster references a celestial Jesus whilst not seeming to consider that at the time of Paul writing Jesus was no longer on Earth and so was, at that time, a “celestial Jesus” of sorts: an incarnated, glorified, spiritual (not spirit) resurrected Jesus.

Lataster also asserts that when Paul claims to know something about Jesus, he claims that it came straight from God; thus, not from common historical knowledge. Yet, in Galatians 1:17-19 Paul notes that after spending time in Arabia and Damascus he “went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days” and also spent time with “James the Lord’s brother.” In 2:1, 9 he notes “I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also. And when James, Cephas [Peter], and John…gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship.”
In Acts 9:19, Luke relates that “Then was Saul [Paul] certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus.” In 21:16 he notes “There went with us also certain of the disciples of Caesarea, and brought with them one Mnason of Cyprus, an old disciple, with whom we should lodge.”

We have seen, by Lataster’s own citation, that Paul held to a crucified Jesus. Let us now survey that which Paul did write about the historical Jesus. That which follows amounts to Paul’s view being that Jesus was a real historical person who came to live on Earth, being born to Mary through a Jewish genealogy. He was crucified after being on trial before Pontius Pilate, died for our sins, resurrected, will return after having been, as He presently is, at God’s right hand.

Galatians:
1:1 “Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead.”

3:1 “O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?”

4:4 “when the fullness of the time” temporal, linear, Earthly time, “God sent forth his Son, made of a woman” so not some celestial spirit but born on Earth to a human, “made under the law” meaning born Jewish.

1 Corinthians:
1:13, 18, 23 “Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?…For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God…But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;”

2:2, 8 “For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified…had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.”

8:11 “And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?”

10:16-17 “The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.”

11:23 “For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:”

15:3 Paul employs technical terminology about how tradition was passed on to him with regards to Jesus’ crucifixion and resurrection “I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received.” Paul even encourages people to seek out and question the eye witnesses “the greater part remain unto this present,” which is what Paul personally did.

2 Corinthians:
4:10 “Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.”

5:14 “For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:”

Romans:
1:3 “Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh.”

4:25 “Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.”

5:6, 8-10 “…Christ died for the ungodly…Christ died for us…being now justified by his blood…we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.”

6:4-5, 9-10 “…like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father…in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection…Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.”

8:3, 32 “God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh…He that spared not his own Son.”

Colossians:
3:1 “If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.”

Ephesians:
1:7, 20 “In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace…Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places.”

2:13, 16 “But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ…And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby.”

Philippians:
3:10-11 “That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.”

1 Thessalonians:
1:10 “And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.”

4:16-17 “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

5:9-10 “For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.”

1 Timothy:
1:15 “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.”

2:6 Jesus “gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”

3:16 “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”

6:13 “I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession.”

2 Timothy:
2:8 “Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel.”

Hebrews—may have been written by Paul:
Hebrews 1:6 “And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.”

2:9, 14, 16 “But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man…Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil…For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.”

9:15 “And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.”

10:10 “By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”

Acts—Luke wrote Acts but it is telling, nevertheless, as he accompanied Paul and wrote accounts of his doings and words:
20:28 has Paul stating, “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.”

22:8 “And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.”

26:8-9 “Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, that God should raise the dead? I verily thought with myself, that I ought to do many things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth.”

Therefore, based on actual historical evidence, it is clear that Paul most certainly believed in a real, historical Jesus.

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