After traveling for several weeks and presenting the truth of Christianity on five different college campuses, Frank answers some of the questions raised by Atheist during those presentations in this Podcast. He also talks about the most recent school …Continue reading →
By Al Serrato God gave us free will so that we can freely choose Him, for freedom of choice is essential to love. But, the skeptic counters, many people do not believe God is real. Why doesn’t God reveal himself more clearly? This question has considerable surface appeal, as it plays on our intuitive sense […]Continue reading →
By Luke Nix Introduction One of the more convincing reasons to believe that atheism is false comes from man’s desire for life to have purpose. If there is no designer behind the universe, life in general, and our individual lives in particular, have no ultimate purpose, no goal to guide our decisions, no finish line to […]Continue reading →
Under consideration is Leonardo Blair’s article “Former Pastor Says He Lost Faith After Staff Member Beat Spouse, Faithful Mother Lost Baby,” Christian Post, December 4, 2017 AD.
A story such as that which regards “Jim Palmer, a former evangelical pastor” is a perfect example of the problems of evils: yes, problems (plural) of evils (plural). When dealing with the problem of evil—which is a problem for everyone regardless of chronology, geography, theology or lack thereof (I’m looking at you Atheists)—the primary problem with which to deal is the emotional problem of evil.
This makes getting to the other problems of evils difficult as it tends to hijack the endeavor. For example, in this case a tale of spousal abuse and the death of a baby heightens emotions and also makes for form an emotional bond with Jim Palmer. Thus, we are all prepped to side with him and any attempts to deal with the issue as per other problems of evils such as logical and/or theological are more likely to be dismissed as abstract, rationalizing, etc.
That being said, let us review. What “triggered” Palmer was spousal abuse and “a woman encouraged by his sermons believed her unborn child diagnosed with a fatal disorder would live. The mother blamed herself when her child died soon after birth.”
He “is now the vice president of the Nashville Humanist Association, which promotes humanism and a secular state.” Well, typically people who call themselves humanists support abortion and Palmer’s groups is described as promoting “secular progressive values” which is coward-speak for radical leftist liberal. This most likely means that he supports mass baby murder aka abortion. In any case, note another facet of secular progressive values which is the militancy of seeking to enforce a secular state which, of course, could only be based on dogmatheism.
But that is somewhat speculative and not as directly relevant as that he states that those two events “triggered, ‘How can I preach this stuff?’” but he never gets around to elucidating to what “stuff” he was referring. In other words, was the problem the theology he was supposed to be preaching or was the problem what and how he was preaching? One hint is that he stated, “Beneath the appearance and the surfaces of people’s lives there was a level of suffering and brokenness for which my theology did not touch.” Well, that is a huge hint as suffering and brokenness is the stuff upon which biblical theology is based—something which he seems to have missed.
This, somehow, also resulted in his marriage falling apart: although whether these events were the reason or excuse is another issue.
He states, “we are who we’ve been waiting for. There is no God in the sky who is going to rescue us…We’ve got to pull up our big boy and big girl panties and be human beings.” Some things to note are that he made a positive affirmation of God’s non-existence and thus, must be called to prove it. In other words, he is not taking the typical Atheist back door of merely claiming a lack of belief in god(s) but claims to possess positive knowledge that God actually does not exist.
But then again, he specified that “There is no God in the sky” which is something with which the Bible agrees and thus, is a hint about his faulty theology.
Also, note that he not views himself to be in the position to command imperatives (must dos) “We’ve got to.”
Then there is the quirky one liner “we are who we’ve been waiting for” which is a manner whereby to place responsibility for ourselves in our own hands in terms of “faith” in humanity: the very same humanity which cause spousal abuse.
Jim Palmer states “Humanism encompasses a variety of views such as atheism, agnosticism, rationalism, naturalism, and secularism” which is as diverse as Navajo White and Eggshell White. He specifies that they “stress the value and goodness of human beings” without defining goodness or upon what basis he would define it (beyond personal preferences de jour, that is). And yes, this is the very same human goodness that beat spouses. He refers to living “ethical lives” for the “greater good” but again: these are undefined assertions and/or defined as per humanist dogmas.
Jim Palmer is also a member of The Clergy Project which is “an organization that supports religious leaders who no longer believe in God.” Yes, you read it right and I am aware enough of this group to know that the grammar is accurate: it is a group which includes currently active “religious leaders” who also “no longer believe in God” meaning that they are active clergy who are deceptive liars as they pretend to believe in order to keep their clergy jobs but do not actually believe.
You see, there will never be a Atheist Activist Project made up of theists who pretend to the Atheists (by any other name). The fact that there are Atheists who make a living by deceiving people speaks volumes of their values.
So in the end: just what did Palmer accomplish?
How did rejecting God do anything about spousal above and dying babies?
In fact, now he does not even have God to blame anymore.
He also went from a worldview which has various explanations for various evils to one that does not.
If we really are accidentally and temporarily existing bio-organisms then what is wrong, bad, evil, etc. with an accidentally and temporarily existing bio-organism using its prehensile appendage to strike another accidentally and temporarily existing bio-organism or a small and young accidentally and temporarily existing bio-organism not live as long as other accidentally and temporarily existing bio-organisms thought that it should?
As Atheist activist Dan Barker so aptly stated it:
There is no moral interpreter in the cosmos, nothing cares and nobody cares…what happens to me or a piece of broccoli, it won’t [matter]. The Sun is going to explode, we’re all gonna be gone. No one’s gonna care.
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How can a good God exist when there is so much evil in the world? Many people doubt the existence of God because of the existence of evil. But evil doesn’t disprove God—evil disproves atheism! How so? Evil can’t exist on its own, it only exists as a parasite in good. Evil is like rust […]Continue reading →
Atheists are fond of asserting that religion and science are at war, and that science supports atheism. Upon closer review, however, “science” doesn’t support atheism or anything else. Why not? Because science doesn’t say anything—scientists do! Science is a method that people use to discover cause and effect relationships. Science doesn’t gather and interpret data, […]Continue reading →
How many times have you read or heard atheists claim to be champions of reason? They even organize “reason” rallies and call themselves “free thinkers.” There’s just one problem: there is no “free” and there is no “thinking” going on if atheism is true. Atheism makes free rational thought impossible. How so? If we are […]Continue reading →
What if your best reasons to doubt God show that He actually exists? What if atheists, properly understood, are actually unwitting apologists for the God they reject? That’s the case I make in the book and new online course called Stealing from God: Why atheists need God to make their case. Stealing from God […]
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By Tim Stratton Atheists often appeal to evolution in an attempt to explain the primate complexity we observe today without a need for an Intelligent Designer — God! Indeed, many say the reason they affirm atheism is because they believe evolution is true. Since their hypothesis does not include God as a designer, atheists feel justified in […]Continue reading →
By Al Serrato To the skeptic, most Christians – certainly most who appear willing to “defend” their faith – may seem a bit one-dimensional, perhaps in some cases fanatical. They seem so convinced of their views, regardless of how bizarre some of these views seem to the unbeliever. Many conclude, then, that the believer is […]Continue reading →